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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, December 21 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1547<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
RE: Ethnicity<BR>
Re Ship Costs<BR>
Re USMC<BR>
Re: War of 1812<BR>
Re: The Death of Q<BR>
Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
Re: War of 1812<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Re: Canada<BR>
Re: Canada<BR>
Re: Far Future Terra (was: Vanishing Wetlands...)<BR>
Re: Unconscionable gun use (was: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517)<BR>
Re: CT to T4 power conversion (Was: Re: Asteroid Mining)<BR>
Re: Canada<BR>
Re: War of 1812<BR>
Re: Scumbags<BR>
American Football (was: Re: [OT] War of 1812)<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: Canada...<BR>
Re: ship cost<BR>
Re: Far Future Terra<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Re: Canada<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:14:47 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: RE: Ethnicity<BR>
<BR>
On 12/21/99 at 06:04 PM,  "Antony Farrell" <Skaran@bigpond.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>> Sterile "mules" are more likely, but if the drift has been large<BR>
>> enough, you won't get any live births, and if it's much greater than<BR>
>> *that*, you won't get fertilization.<BR>
 <BR>
>> > What other canonical crossbreeding is there?<BR>
 <BR>
IMTU, most of the human races are interfertile, but that's IMTU.<BR>
<BR>
>> No idea if the topic has ever been mentioned in canon.<BR>
 <BR>
>Just as a matter of interest not all mules are sterile<BR>
<BR>
Quite true...<grin> hence those herds of wild mules running across the<BR>
plains!  </grin><BR>
<BR>
Has anyone ever heard of a pair of fertile mules being able to breed true? <BR>
That I *really* doubt.<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:05:15 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Ship Costs<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Thing" <gduke@telebyte.com><BR>
>I've played with this by hand waving the costs in the books as Military<BR>
>grade equipment.  This makes civilian cargo vessels extremely fragile in<BR>
>comparison to military ships, so combat is a big no-no.  Also the<BR>
>civilian jump drives have less redundancies and fail safes than the<BR>
>military models causing the chances of misjumps from unrefined fuel and<BR>
>poor maintenance to be much higher (I had to lower the chance of fatal<BR>
>misjumps to keep PC's alive).<BR>
<BR>
 Simple enough to do in MT... MT's hits for vehicles were "errata'ed" in<BR>
Ref's Gaming kit to be in 10's of damage points...<BR>
Reduce costs by factor of 10 except for hull, and use the listed DP's,<BR>
rather than the x10...<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Thom Harris" <thomharr@mediaone.net><BR>
><BR>
>And no matter what else, a hundred tons is still a hundred tons, the bare<BR>
>minimum to be a "Star Ship".<BR>
<BR>
True enough, except under TNE, were the minimum was eliminated. They had a<BR>
65 tonner...<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 17:18:42 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re USMC<BR>
<BR>
>	New in 1812? ISTR the Marines claim to predate even the<BR>
>constitution, having been raised by the Continental Congress 'long<BR>
>about 177x or so ...<BR>
><BR>
The order of precedence for US services (based upon year of foundation) is<BR>
Navy, Army, Marines, Coast Guard, and Air Force. There were Marines prior<BR>
to the USMC, but they were not the "US Marine Corps", but instead, naval<BR>
infacntry. Got this drilled into me by a USMC Gunny Sgt, while a Navy cadet<BR>
in High School. It was also in the NS1 text. (Item of irony: the NS1-4<BR>
texts we used in NJROTC were the same ones in use for PSU's NROTC program<BR>
at the same time...)<BR>
<BR>
The founding of the  USMC is about 1808, or so. Before the war, but not by<BR>
much. Foudned by an army captain who'd been a "Marine" (Read Navalized<BR>
Infantryman). There was no provision for marines under the US constitution,<BR>
nor under the articles of confederation; in order to create it with minimal<BR>
legislation, it was attched to the Navy. The Air-Force split was even<BR>
wierder... the US Army had an Air Corps... the Air Force took most of the<BR>
AAC's people, but they merely got "all land-based fixed wing aircraft". The<BR>
Navy did the most with Blimps and Dirigibles, and also got to keep their<BR>
extensive air capabilities.<BR>
<BR>
Ob Trav: IMTU, the Marines are part of the Navy in the same way the US<BR>
Marines are... at least for the Imperium. Sector, Subsector, and Planetary<BR>
navies may vary, but most follow the same practice. Solomani Marines,<BR>
however, are IMTU, a separate service, with "Attched Contingets".<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
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533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:18:54 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: War of 1812<BR>
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On 12/21/99 at 01:20 AM,  SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
>At 17:36 -0500 20/12/99, Bruce Johnson <johnson@pharmacy.arizona.edu><BR>
>wrote: > > A quick outline would be<BR>
>> > (0) Britain is conscripting british (and occasional American) soliders out<BR>
>> > of British ships. America doesn't like this. Also, Britain is blocking<BR>
>> > American trade with France (more legitimately).<BR>
>><BR>
>>Well, there _was_ the minor problem that the British Navy was also<BR>
>>stopping and searching US-flagged merchants, and pretty much impressing<BR>
>>anyone they felt like.<BR>
<BR>
>AFAIK the RN has never used Dragons? Dragoons maybe, but not Dragons...<BR>
<BR>
What no, Queen's own Grendeleers?  <g><BR>
<BR>
BTW, I think as much heat has been generated over the snore of 1812 here<BR>
as during the real thing. Enough already! <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:31:37 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: The Death of Q<BR>
<BR>
At 05:49 pm 12/21/99 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
>From: David J. Golden <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
><BR>
>> Aargh! I missed that ... you realize this means they're not<BR>
allowed<BR>
>>to make any more Bond movies. Not that the recent ones really count<BR>
>>anyway (gag).<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>    I liked the recent one & they do have a replacement for Q<BR>
waiting on the<BR>
>wings.<BR>
<BR>
	Yes, but he won't be *Q*. There has always been just one Q--007 may<BR>
come and go, as well as M, Moneypenney, and just about everybody<BR>
else, but  Q is a constant ...<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:16:07 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: i Steve <isteve1967@hotmail.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 21 December 1999 18:25<BR>
Subject: RE: Traveller roadshows<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>>Really? Where in the north? I'm in Lancashire, near Rochdale.<BR>
><BR>
>Doncaster mate, the right side of the Pennines  *grin*<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Leeds here,<BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond      <BR>
mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:39:01 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Mark Watson <markw@antares.demon.co.uk><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 22 December 1999 00:39<BR>
Subject: Re: War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<snip><BR>
>>Well, there _was_ the minor problem that the British Navy was also<BR>
>>stopping and searching US-flagged merchants, and pretty much impressing<BR>
>>anyone they felt like.<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>We still do that. It's the accent.<BR>
>--<BR>
>Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I say, old chap! Steady on! I *nearly* spilled my Earl Grey on the<BR>
keyboard... Terribly bad form, what!<BR>
<BR>
LOL<BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:43:41 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 22 December 1999 00:54<BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>At 16:52 -0500 21/12/99, "Wayne Ewart" <wewart@home.com> wrote:<BR>
><BR>
><On the subversion of the US by Canada you responded><BR>
><BR>
>>Don't forget we gave you football and basketball<BR>
><BR>
>No you didn't, you gave them that strange game with body armour, a<BR>
>rugby ball and commercial breaks, and basketball.<BR>
><BR>
>*We* (the UK) gave them football, which is always played with a round<BR>
>ball, 22 men and a referee, in halves.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Eeeeewww... Icky! <g><BR>
<BR>
>Dom <TIC><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Matt (Watching NFL Monday Night Football on C5 on a Wednesday Morning...<BR>
strange world...<g>)<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond<BR>
mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk<BR>
www.akira.swinternet.co.uk/strom.html<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:48:59 -0500<BR>
From: "David L. Pulver" <dlpulver@kos.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
<BR>
At 08:57 PM 12/21/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>From: Charles Collin <charles@hebb.psych.mcgill.ca><BR>
>Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
><BR>
>Is it just me, or are the Canadians on the list starting to sound like<BR>
>Chekov on ST:TOS?  Everything is: "Yes, I've heard of this, it was<BR>
>invented in Halifax!"  So far we've apparently trounced the US, provided<BR>
>the world with most of its actors, and invented basketball.  What next?<BR>
<BR>
We secretly control much of Steve Jackson Games, and through it, the<BR>
current published incarnation of Traveller.<BR>
<BR>
Don't forget socialized medicine, less crime/gun control, and the other<BR>
flamebait issues. As for the War of 1812, it's pretty much our only major<BR>
military victory, other than (maybe) downing the Red Baron, Juno Beach and<BR>
liberating Holland.<BR>
 <BR>
>"You've never heard Shakespeare til you've heard it in the original<BR>
>Canadian, eh?"... <BR>
<BR>
Exactly. We call that the Wreck of the Bard Endeavour.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:52:25 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, David L. Pulver wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> >"You've never heard Shakespeare til you've heard it in the original<BR>
> >Canadian, eh?"... <BR>
> <BR>
> Exactly. We call that the Wreck of the Bard Endeavour.<BR>
<BR>
Nice try.  Very nice indeed.  John Harvard gets to keep another keyboard<BR>
in service, though.  Nothing but compressed air made it out my nose.  Ha!<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:54:07 -0500 (EST)<BR>
From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Far Future Terra (was: Vanishing Wetlands...)<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> > I am silent.  Silent as a mouse.  My lips are sealed.  I will say nothing<BR>
> > lewd.  I think nothing lewd.  My mind is a pure crystal of cleanliness and<BR>
> > rectitude.<BR>
> > <BR>
> LOL, Kenji!  Where's the pod?<BR>
<BR>
Pod?  No pod.  I'm from here.  This planet.  I was birthed in absolute<BR>
normalcy.  I can't be held responsible for subsequent events in all cases.<BR>
<BR>
Kenji<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:56:35 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Unconscionable gun use (was: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1517)<BR>
<BR>
On 12/21/99 at 09:58 AM,  "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
said:<BR>
<BR>
>> Arizona has quite liberal gun laws; concealed carry with permits, open<BR>
>> carry just about anywhere (and many people do), but you'll get pounced<BR>
>> upon by the cops for waving it around like that.<BR>
<BR>
>Having lived in the uS Southwest most of my life, I am<BR>
>accustomed to seeing weapons, long ones, short ones,<BR>
>smooth ones, rifled ones, sharp ones, blunt ones.  One<BR>
>of the things that all the areas of the Southwest that I have lived in<BR>
>had in common was that you don't point a weapon, any weapon, at someone<BR>
>without cause and get away with<BR>
>it.  You leave it in its holster, sheath, sling, ect. until you are ready<BR>
>to use it and when you unholster, unsheath, unsling,<BR>
>unetc. it, everyone assumes that you are going to use it.<BR>
>If you use it for anything other than self defense or to kill meat (or to<BR>
>practice for one of those), you have committed<BR>
>a crime and will probably be punished.<BR>
<BR>
That's what I was taught in the US Southeast, as well.  Some people scare<BR>
me to death the way they swing around sharp and pointy things, much less<BR>
things that go bang.  Gun control means something else entirely for some<BR>
of us. <g><BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:58:51 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: CT to T4 power conversion (Was: Re: Asteroid Mining)<BR>
<BR>
On 12/21/99 at 09:57 AM,  "Jason T. Barnabas" <cybernaut@netzero.net><BR>
said:<BR>
<BR>
>Can someone conferm or correct the following:<BR>
>1 EP = 1 Mw<BR>
<BR>
I don't think so. Isn't it something like 250 Mw = 1 EP?<BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:03:40 +1100<BR>
From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
<BR>
>Don't forget socialized medicine, less crime/gun control, and the other<BR>
>flamebait issues. As for the War of 1812, it's pretty much our only major<BR>
>military victory, other than (maybe) downing the Red Baron, Juno Beach and<BR>
>liberating Holland.<BR>
<BR>
    And it doesn't look like Brown got Richtofen either,<BR>
<BR>
http://raven.cc.ukans.edu/~kansite/ww_one/comment/richt.htm<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:08:01 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Bruce Macintosh"<BR>
...<BR>
>>somebody decided adding Canada to the wish list would be a good idea.  Since<BR>
>>that venture failed America of 1812 came oput with at worst, a draw.<BR>
><BR>
>This clearly isn't true; the invasions of Canada were among the first<BR>
>military actions of the war. (If the US *wasn't* planning on invading Canada,<BR>
>what exactly did you think they *were* planning at the start of the war? To<BR>
>stare at the British until moral outrage forced the UK to surrender? Even the<BR>
...<BR>
<BR>
  OK, "Bruce" - if that's your real name* - you're some kind of commie-<BR>
pinko-symp provocateur, aren't you? Which begs the question of why the<BR>
Traveller Socialist Conspiracy hasn't tried to recruit you yet...<BR>
<BR>
  * did anyone else have a Python-esque moment when the post hit with <BR>
the two Bruces debating and quoting each other? <BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:08:28 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Scumbags<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Nick Bradbeer" <nickb@ndirect.co.uk><BR>
>Subject: Re: Scumbags (was: chicks with guns, and 3I porno)<BR>
...<BR>
>Call me ignorant (because I am, living way out of the CON US), but surely if<BR>
>all firearms were illegal, then finding any kind of gun means you can peg<BR>
<BR>
  Yes, but there are clearly numerous cases (at least in rural areas) <BR>
where having a long-arm available is very reasonable. In cities you<BR>
have to decide whether society is safer with plentiful firearms as a<BR>
home-defence issue or with the option removed, or whether the debate is <BR>
even to be framed in those terms - a political decision that I can accept.<BR>
<BR>
        Steven Hudson<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 21:21:20 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: American Football (was: Re: [OT] War of 1812)<BR>
<BR>
Nick Bradbeer wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >No you didn't, you gave them that strange game with body armour, a<BR>
> >rugby ball and commercial breaks, and basketball.<BR>
> <BR>
> <Giles> I've always found it odd that a nation which prides itself on its<BR>
> virility feels it has to strap on forty pounds of body armour just to play<BR>
> Rugby....</Giles><BR>
<BR>
OTOH, given that the United States have a population of over 250<BR>
million, of whom about 2000 play American football at the professional<BR>
level, it makes sense to armor said players, in order to keep from<BR>
breaking them.  After all, some of those players are paid several<BR>
million dollars (US) each year.  Armoring the players is a reasonable<BR>
way to protect that kind of investment.<BR>
<BR>
Given that concept, it also makes sense to armor those high-school and<BR>
college students who have a chance to ascend to that 2000-player plateau<BR>
of professional football.<BR>
<BR>
After all, the 3I armors most of its ground combat "players."<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 03:32:17 GMT<BR>
From: j_pete@bellsouth.net (Pete)<BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 07:26:14 -0700 (MST), Bruce Johnson<BR>
<johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
>Awright...if _Kenji_ shows up in next months 'This View of Life', I'm<BR>
>grabbing my guns, the dogs,  my mre's, my generators and armaggedon outa<BR>
>here!<BR>
><BR>
><"It's the end of the world as we know it..."><BR>
><BR>
"And I feel fine!"<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:08:04 +1000<BR>
From: "The Roc" <roc@kewl.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re: Canada...<BR>
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From: Ian Ferguson <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
To: <traveller@mpgn.com><BR>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 8:23 AM<BR>
Subject: RE: Canada<BR>
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> Kurt Feltenberger writes:<BR>
> >Not a Canadian, but IIRC it was a Native American word/phrase<BR>
> >'Kanata' or some similar spelling that referred to a local<BR>
> >landmark.<BR>
> >I might be right, I might be wrong, wouldn't be the first time<BR>
> >for either. :-)<BR>
><BR>
> You are right, though the spelling is arbitrary.  My<BR>
> understanding is that it was a native word that translated<BR>
> roughly to "village."<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
Or possibly, "A grove of trees you idiot."  Depending upon whom you talk to,<BR>
our popular Aussie kangaroo has a translated name of "I don't know?"  As in,<BR>
when the explorers first seen one, they pointed to it and asked, "What is<BR>
that called?" to which the recorded version of the reply was, "Kangaroo?"<BR>
Meaning, "I don't know?"<BR>
<BR>
I sometime think to myself how funny it must be to hear the story, "This<BR>
mountain was named by the locals as, Tzbukkannann." only to find the locals<BR>
didn't have the heart to tell the white explorers when asked, "What is that<BR>
called?" and the answer really meaning, "It's a mountain you fool!"  ;^)<BR>
<BR>
- -- The Roc<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:00:13 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kyle Schuant <kyle3054@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: ship cost<BR>
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> > The Good Ship Jabberwocky, as it was known, did<BR>
> not go<BR>
> > far, but it got them off the world.<BR>
> <BR>
> I love it. Are your rules based on or will they work<BR>
> with High Gaurd or<BR>
> FF&S1 or 2? I am using HG now, but am looking for<BR>
> something a bit more<BR>
> comprehensive and <fnord>heretical. Send me your<BR>
> ideas when convienient, I<BR>
> like the disparity between military and civilian<BR>
> craft. Perhaps I could base<BR>
> some of my home rule on your ideas? For use on my<BR>
> webpage, with your<BR>
> permission of course, and due credit. :)<BR>
> xrp@sierratel.com<BR>
<BR>
Hiya!<BR>
Finally I've written out all my rules on pc; what<BR>
format can I send them to you? I use Microsquash<BR>
Excel-type rubbish...<BR>
Kyle<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:45:37 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Far Future Terra<BR>
<BR>
>> Has anyone considered or actually mapped such a "far future Terra,"<BR>
>> and what all should be taken into consideration?<BR>
><BR>
>Check geology books. There's a book I read a long time ago that I know<BR>
>had maps of the *past* continental layouts. It may have had future ones<BR>
>as well, but I don't recall. After all, it was more than 30 years ago.<BR>
<BR>
Another suggestion: "After Man: A Zoology of the Future" by Dougal<BR>
Dixon. (ISBN 0312194331, published by Griffin in 1998; there may be<BR>
earlier, hardcover editions, but Amazon.com has this one listed as<BR>
available.) It postulates what life on Earth might be like 50 million<BR>
years in the future, 50 million years after some kind of ecological<BR>
catastrophe that ultimately resulted in the extinction of the human<BR>
race. It also has maps, as the continents have shifted in the interim.<BR>
An interesting read.<BR>
<BR>
>> Has the ecology changed at all, have extraterrestrial life forms<BR>
>> entered our biosphere? Oh my, what a can of worms! Joy! ;)<BR>
><BR>
>Well, the sun will continue getting hotter.<BR>
<BR>
Though in the next few thousand years, probably not appreciably hotter.<BR>
<BR>
> We may or may not cause an<BR>
>increase in the greenhouse effect. Odds are strongly in favor of few<BR>
>glaciers and a very small icecap around the south pole. The Arctic<BR>
>ocean may only have seasonal ice. And the rising sea levels will<BR>
>require either massive dikes or change the coastlines *significantly*. <BR>
<BR>
On the other hand, there's the fact that the current Earth climate is<BR>
simply the warm interval between two successive glaciations. The last<BR>
few interglacial intervals lasted something in the neighbourhood of<BR>
8,000 to 12,000 years each... and it's been 10,000 since the current<BR>
one started. I'd say there's better than even odds that a new Ice Age<BR>
will start within the next few thousand years.<BR>
<BR>
Of course, in the Traveller universe, we may by then have the technology<BR>
to keep the glaciation at bay...<BR>
<BR>
Still, there are those who believe that the evidence in favour of "global<BR>
warming" is sketchy at best, and that the current destabilization of <BR>
global climate we're experiencing may be the prelude to the next Ice Age<BR>
already...<BR>
<BR>
Cool.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:54:22 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
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>> Not only that, but we've also taken over your entertainment industry.<BR>
>>Some of our agents in the field: Celine Dion. Dan Aykroyd. William<BR>
>>Shatner. Alex Trebek. David James Elliot. Jim Carrey. Tommy<BR>
>>Chong. Pamela Anderson. Michael  J. Fox. Peter Jennings. Howie<BR>
>>Mandel. Alanis Morissette. Donald Sutherland. Shania Twain. Leslie<BR>
>>Nielsen. And the recently-late Hank Snow.<BR>
><BR>
>Yeah, but doesn't it say something that they have to flee their homeland en<BR>
>masse in order to be in the entertainment industry?!?<BR>
<BR>
That's just what we *want* you to believe.<BR>
<BR>
Here's more proof: The godfather of the Canadian contingent working in the<BR>
US entertainment industry was Lorne Greene. Now, if you are not a US<BR>
Citizen and want to work in the US, you need a document called a "Greene<BR>
Card".<BR>
Coincidence???<BR>
<BR>
Bwa-ha-ha and all that.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: is there much cultural exchange between Imperial Space and<BR>
Solomani Space? Do people in the Solomani Confederacy watch television<BR>
shows from the Imperium (or vice versa)?  Or movies?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:57:31 -0700<BR>
From: cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Canada<BR>
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>I heard recently that Canada was named by Spanish<BR>
>explorers who were looking for ancient civilizations,<BR>
>cities of gold, and mujeres con tres tetas (as one of<BR>
>Cabeza de Vaca's companions is said to have testified<BR>
>after their return to Spanish possessions).  <BR>
><BR>
>Anyway, the Spaniards ended up north of their<BR>
>destination, and were rather disappointed with what<BR>
>they saw.  Asked later to describe the new territory,<BR>
>they said, "que nada", which eventually became<BR>
>pronounced Canada.<BR>
><BR>
>Do the Canadians on the list know whether this story<BR>
>is correct?<BR>
<BR>
... and Glenn from Canada, aka cos 90, joins the ranks of <BR>
those who have to dry out their keyboards...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
     Glenn St-Germain  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada <BR>
cos90@powersurfr.com  http://plaza.powersurfr.com/glenn<BR>
        "There is no longer any normal to be"<BR>
                                 -- Gary Numan<BR>
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